Murdered In Canada: Karoly "Charles" John Horvath-Allan



‘I HAVE A BROKEN HEART, NOT A BROKEN MIND.’
DENISE HORVATH-ALLEN

"THEY'LL BE SAD SONGS, THAT MAKE YOU CRY"
BILLY OCEAN


POPULAR SONG AT THE TIME: I'LL BE THERE FOR YOU (BON JOVI)


30 LONG YEARS


I WANNA SAY THIS BEFORE STARTING THE ENTRY. DENISE HORVATH-ALLAN HAS TO BE ONE OF THE STRONGEST PEOPLE I HAVE EVER MET. AND I'VE MET QUITE A FEW STRONG WILLED INDIVIDUALS. DAWN FOGLESONG, TERRY SCALERA HORMAN, DONALD OCCHI, ANGIE SIMS HAMILTON, THE KRAMERS, AND HOWARD ADAMS ALL COME TO MIND. AND THEY ALL ARE CUT OUT OF THE SAME MOLD. REMARKABLE PEOPLE DEALING WITH REMARKABLE AND TRAGIC CIRCUMSTANCES. GOD BLESS THEM ALL. I ALSO WANNA SAY, FOR ALL THE LOVE THE RCMP GET ALL THE TIME. THE ONES INVOLVED IN THIS CASE AT THE START ARE A BUNCH OF FUCKING JOKES. THE WAY THEY TREATED THIS WOMEN DEALING WITH HER SON BEING MISSING IS A BUNCH OF BULLSHIT. I LOST MY SHIT WHEN SHE TOLD ME HOW SHE WAS TREATED. NEEDLESS TO SAY, I HOPE NONE OF YOU READERS (OR ANYONE FOR THAT MATTER) NEVER LOSE A LOVED ONE IN KELOWNA, BRITISH COLUMBIA. ON A SIDE NOTE THE UNSOLVED MYSTERIES SEGMENT MENTIONS THAT THE RCMP TALKED TO SOME FAMILY MEMBERS REGARDING CHARLES AND THAT HE TOLD THEM THAT HE WANTED TO DISAPPEAR SO THAT NO ONE WOULD FIND HIM. I HAVE COME TO FIND OUT THROUGH PERSONS RELATED TO CHARLES THAT THE FAMILY MEMBERS WHO WERE SPOKEN TO WERE MEMBERS OF HIS DAD'S SIDE OF THE FAMILY. AND THAT THERE WAS SOME RESENTMENT. NOT FROM CHARLES' DAD. BUT FROM FAMILY MEMBERS ON THAT SIDE AFTER CHARLES' PARENTS DIVORCED. I DO NOT FIND THAT A LIKELY STATEMENT. I DO NOT BELIEVE HE LEFT OF HIS OWN FREE WILL. 

SHURLOCK



 "How and by what means I don't know but something terrible happened to him that prevented him from calling home," she said. "I want to know where his remains are. I want him to be laid to rest with his beloved Nana in Cambridge, England."

Denise Horvath-Allan

CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THE RCMP

SGT PAUL GOSLING KELOWNA SCU RCMP 250 762 3300 


NAME: KAROLY JOHN HORVATH-ALLAN (WENT BY CHARLES OR KJ)
BORN: AUGUST 21st, 1968 IN COCHENOUR, ONTARIO CANADA
PARENTS: MAX HORVATH SR. & DENISE HORVATH-ALLAN
DISAPPEARED: MAY 26th, 1989 POSSIBLY LAST SEEN CASHING A CHECK AT THE ORCHARD PARK ROYAL BANK. (DON'T HAVE MUCH INFO ON THIS LEAD)
DISAPPEARED FROM: KELOWNA, BRITISH COLUMBIA (CANADA)
(CHARLES WAS CANADIAN BORN. HIS MUM BEING FROM YORKSHIRE, ENGLAND)
(CHARLES HAD DUEL CITIZENSHIP IN CANADA AND ENGLAND)
HEIGHT AND WEIGHT: 6'0 & 195 lbs
HAIR & EYES: BOTH DARK BROWN
DISTINGUISHING CHARACTERISTICS: TATTOO-UPPER LEFT ARM OF A SKULL & MOHAWK. SCAR ON LEFT SIDE OF HEAD AS WELL AS A DENTAL PLATE. CHARLES PERSONALITY WAS DESCRIBED AS EXTREMELY FRIENDLY AND SOMEWHAT NAIVE WHEN IT CAME TO NEW PEOPLE. HE WAS ALSO SOMEWHAT OF A BRAGGART.

KELOWNA SERIOUS CRIMES UNIT FILE NUMBER: 1989-21784

CHARLES IS BELIEVED TO BE DECEASED AND THIS CASE IS STILL UNDER INVESTIGATION AND UNSOLVED.


I'M NOT TRYING TO BE A CREEP HERE. BUT DENISE HORVATH-ALLEN HAS A REGAL TYPE OF BEAUTY TO HER. SHE REMINDS ME OF JANE SEYMOUR. WHICH MAKES IT EVEN HARDER TO LISTEN TO HER TELL HER STORY ABOUT HER ONLY SON WHO'S BEEN MISSING FOR 30 YEARS.

 DENISE HORVATH-ALLAN
      Has made 15 trips to Canada since Charles
 went missing.

Denise's Contact Information
deniseallan@hotmail.co.uk
Tel: UK 011 44 208 332 6776

    DENISE HOLDING BABY CHARLES
   A YOUNG CHARLES AND HIS MUM







THIS PICTURE WAS TAKEN JUST A FEW WEEKS PRIOR TO HIM LEAVING FOR CANADA


UNSOLVED MYSTERIES SEGMENT





LINKS:
YOUTUBE CHANNEL

 MISSING TREASURES: CHARLES HORVATH




CHARLES AND DENISE HORVATH-ALLEN: CHRISTMAS TIME 1988





                                                                   

  BACKGROUND INFORMATION AND DETAILS OF DISAPPEARANCE
 (CHARLES' CASE WAS FEATURED ON UNSOLVED MYSTERIES JANUARY 12TH 1994)


  CHARLES WAS A CANADIAN BORN ENGLISH RESIDENT (YORKSHIRE) WHO IN SEPTEMBER OF 1988 DECIDED TO VISIT HIS PLACE OF BIRTH AND FIND HIS ROOTS IN CANADA. (WAS 20 AT THE TIME) HE DECIDED TO DO THIS VIA A CROSS COUNTRY HITCHHIKING TRIP. HE PLANNED TO MEET UP WITH HIS BIOLOGICAL FATHER MAX IN THUNDER BAY AND GODFATHER GABBY IN COCHENOUR. AFTER HIS CROSS COUNTRY ADVENTURE HE PLANNED TO GO TO HONG KONG TO CELEBRATE HIS 21ST BIRTHDAY AND HIS MOTHER'S 40TH. THAT NEVER OCCURRED. DENISE LAST SAW CHARLES IN PERSON IN DECEMBER OF 88 (IN MONTREAL) WHEN CHARLES WAS IN A FASHION SHOW. AFTER THE FASHION SHOW CHARLES WORKED IN QUEBEC FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. THEN HE MADE HIS WAY TO ONTARIO TO VISIT HIS DAD MAX, GODFATHER GABBY, AND HIS HALF BROTHER. CHARLES ACTUALLY LOST HIS UK INTERNATIONAL PASSPORT WHILE VISITING HIS GODFATHER IN COCHENOUR. IT SLID DOWN A SIDE OF A CHAIR HE SAT IN WITHOUT HIS KNOWLEDGE. AFTER VISITING HIS FAMILY CHARLES THEN MADE HIS WAY TO SASKATCHEWAN IN MARCH OF 89. DENISE LAST HEARD FROM CHARLES BY PHONE ON APRIL 17TH OF 1989 WHILE HE WAS STAYING IN BANNF. CHARLES WAS WORKING AT THE RIM ROCK HOTEL AT THE TIME.



  CHARLES WAS CONSTANTLY KEEPING IN TOUCH WITH HIS MOM VIA POSTCARDS AND FAXES. CHARLES HITCH HIKED TO KELOWNA, BRITISH COLUMBIA SOMETIME IN EARLY MAY OF 89. WHILE STAYING IN KELOWNA CHARLES WOULD FAX HIS MOM FOR THE LAST TIME ON MAY 11TH (FROM ROCHE STATIONERS BERNARD AVE IN KELOWNA) REGARDING THEIR UPCOMING TRIP TO HONG KONG. HE SENT HIS LOVE TO HIS MOM, NANA, AND CATS. HE RELAYED THE COST OF A TICKET FROM VANCOUVER TO HONG KONG. HE ALSO PROMISED TO FOLLOW UP BY PHONE BUT THAT NEVER HAPPENED. CHARLES WAS THERE FOR AROUND A WEEK BEFORE DISAPPEARING. AT THE TIME CHARLES WAS STAYING AT TINY TOWN CAMPGROUND LOCATED AT 3316 LAKESHORE RD, KELOWNA, BC (LIVING IN A TENT) CHARLES WAS EMPLOYED AT THE FLINTSTONES BEDROCK CITY AMUSEMENT PARK IN KELOWNA. (IT HAS SINCE BEEN TORN DOWN) CHARLES WAS LAST SEEN ON MAY 26TH OF 1989. HE HAD WORKED EARLIER THAT MORNING AND ACCORDING TO REPORTS WAS EITHER LAST SEEN AT THE CAMPGROUND OR AT ORCHARD PARK ROYAL BANK CASHING A CHECK. AFTER CASHING THE CHECK HER HITCHHIKED HIS WAY BACK ACROSS TOWN. EITHER WAY, AFTER MAY 26TH 1989 CHARLES HAS NEVER BEEN SEEN AGAIN. AFTER A FEW WEEKS WENT BY WITHOUT HEARING FROM CHARLES. DENISE CALLED THE ROYAL CANADIAN MOUNTED POLICE AND THEY ASSURED HER THAT CHARLES WOULD EVENTUALLY TURN UP AND CONTACT HER. THAT NEVER OCCURRED. (I LOVE HOW THE RCMP CAN "PREDICT THE FUTURE". HERE IS A MOM WHO IS MORE FAMILIAR WITH HER CHILD'S BEHAVIOR THAN THEY ARE. BUT NO, THE DUDLEY DO RIGHTS KNOW MORE.) DENISE CALLED THE RCMP SEVERAL MORE TIMES AND WAS TOLD THE SAME BULLSHIT. DENISE CALLED THE LOCAL KELOWNA RCMP ON AUGUST 10TH 1989 TO OFFICIALLY REPORT CHARLES MISSING. SHE MADE AN OFFICIAL TRIP SOON THEREAFTER. DENISE MADE POSTERS AND TALKED TO EVERYONE SHE COULD TRYING TO BACKTRACK HER SON'S WAY THROUGH CANADA. SHE EVENTUALLY HAD TO RETURN BACK TO CANADA NOT LONG AFTER. DENISE KEPT IN CONTACT WITH KELOWNA POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR A YEAR (FROM THE UNITED KINGDOM) BEFORE MAKING ANOTHER TRIP TO CANADA IN JUNE OF 1990.  



Joanne Zebroff: Pictured on the Right posing with Denise Allen

JOANNE ZEBROFF:

“When I first met Charles, it was this charming, good-looking guy who was obviously new to Canada. And I really liked him. I thought well, here’s a unique person. He loved his family, he showed me pictures. He was so proud of all these photographs of his mother. They were very close, it was obvious they were close."

JOANNE ZEBROFF: IS A RESIDENT IN KELOWNA AND WAS A FRIEND ON CHARLES. SHE MET CHARLES WHILE HE WAS SLEEPING ON THE STREET AND EVEN LET HIM STAY AT HER HOUSE FOR A COUPLE OF NIGHTS ON HER SOFA. JOANNE HERSELF HAD DONE SOME HITCH HIKING ACROSS CANADA AND KNEW OF THE DIFFICULTIES REGARDING OBTAINING FOOD AND SHELTER. JOANNE AND CHARLES GREW CLOSE WITH HIS BRIEF STAY. THEY EVEN VISITED THE HISTORIC O'KEEFE RANCH IN VERNON, BRITISH COLUMBIA. SHE CONTACTED DENISE AFTER BEING INFORMED BY HER BROTHER'S WIFE OF ONE OF CHARLES' MISSING POSTERS. ONCE JOANNE KNEW OF CHARLES' DISAPPEARANCE SHE WENT TO THE KELOWNA DETACHMENT AND WROTE DOWN HER MEMORIES OF WHEN SHE MET CHARLES. AT ONE POINT SHE STATED SHE GAVE CHARLES A RIDE TO KLO ROAD WHERE HE HAD ATTAINED A JOB THROUGH JOB MART KICKING CARPET FOR A VERNON GORDON. (INCIDENTALLY VERNON GORDON WOULD ALSO TAKE CHARLES IN FOR A BRIEF PERIOD OF TIME. AND ALSO POINT HIM TOWARDS TINY TENT TOWN FOR ECONOMICAL ACCOMODATIONS.) JOANNE CLAIMED TO HAVE SEEN CHARLES IN JULY AND AUGUST OF 1989. NOTE THAT IF SHE SAW HIM IN AUGUST THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN 3 MONTHS AFTER HE DISAPPEARED. I'VE READ WHERE LE ACTUALLY DETERMINED HE VISITED HER IN JULY NOT AUGUST. EITHER WAY, THE LAST TIME SHE SPOKE WITH HIM HE WANTED TO COME UP TO THEIR APARTMENT. THEY WERE HAVING A FAMILY GATHERING AND THEY COULDN'T LET HIM COME UP. I'VE ATTEMPTED TO CONTACT JOANNE ZEBROFF. SHE HASN'T RESPONDED YET. ACCORDING TO THE UNSOLVED MYSTERIES WIKI PAGE JOANNE LAST SAW HIM AT THE LIVEWIRE NIGHTCLUB IN KELOWNA IN AUGUST OF 89. WHICH IS VERY INTERESTING. BECAUSE THAT IS A GOOD AMOUNT OF TIME AFTER MAY 26TH. COULD SHE BE MISTAKEN WITH DATES? LIKELY IN MY OPINION. YET TO CLARIFY THIS AT THE MOMENT. THIS SIGHTING HAS NOT BEEN CONFIRMED. 


VERNON GORDON


UPDATE 5-8-2019- I WAS INFORMED BY DENISE THAT THE SIGHTING THAT ZEBROFF HAD WITH CHARLES AT THE NIGHTCLUB WAS NOT UNCONFIRMED. IT DID OCCUR. LAW ENFORCEMENT CLASSIFIES IT AS UNCONFIRMED BECAUSE ZEBROFF DIDN'T ACTUALLY SPEAK WITH CHARLES. THEY WAVED AT EACH OTHER. BUT DID NOT TALK. SO THIS MEANS THAT HE WAS ALIVE IN AUGUST IF WE CAN BELIEVE ZEBROFF'S ACCOUNT. INTERESTING. ALSO THERE WAS NO CONFUSION WITH THE THE DATES ZEBROFF INITIALLY GAVE. THE ONLY ERROR ZEBROFF GAVE TO KELOWNA PD WAS SHE SAID SHE INITIALLY MET CHARLES IN APRIL WHEN IN FACT HE DIDN'T ARRIVE UNTIL MAY 3RD OF 89. ZEBROFF HERSELF WAS NOT FOND OF THE RCMP INVESTIGATION. AND WROTE A 3 PAGE LETTER TO UNSOLVED MYSTERIES REGARDING THIS. UNSOLVED MYSTERIES INITIALLY TOOK CHARLES' STORY AND BEGAN FILMING. ONLY TO CANCEL THE FILMING FOR UNKNOWN REASONS IN 1992. I BELIEVE THE REASONS WERE THAT SGT. GARY TIDSBURY OF THE RCMP MIGHT HAVE HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THIS. HE WAS A PRETTY CORRUPT GUY IF YOU READ UP ON HIM. BUT DUE TO ZEBROFF'S LETTER AND DIRECTOR DAVID MASSAR. UNSOLVED MYSTERIES BEGAN RE-FILMING IN AUGUST OF 1993. 


CRIMESTOPPERS SEGMENT


THIS PERSON WAS POSSIBLY SEEN WITH CHARLES
AT A NIGHTCLUB IN 1989. WENT BY THE NAME OF "BILL"


ANOTHER TIP CAME IN REGARDING CHARLES POSSIBLY BEING SEEN AT A NIGHTCLUB. (JONATHAN SEGAL'S BISTRO) SUPPOSEDLY THE RCMP EVENTUALLY FOLLOWED UP WITH THIS LEAD MANY YEARS LATER. AND DETERMINED THAT THIS PERSON LIVED IN EDMONTON, ALBERTA AND HAS SINCE PASSED AWAY. IT WAS NEVER ESTABLISHED IF HE EVER KNEW CHARLES. BUT HE FIT THE DESCRIPTION OF AN UNPLEASANT MAN WITH STEEL BLUE EYES THAT WAS SEEN WITH CHARLES AT THE JONATHAN SEGAL'S BISTRO. THE TIP CAME FROM A MAN NAMED "DAVE". "DAVE" APPARENTLY TOLD CHARLES NOT TO GO PARTYING WITH THIS GUY IN MIDWAY. "YOU MIGHT ONLY GET HALFWAY TO MIDWAY....YOU MIGHT NEVER COME BACK." THIS PHOTO WAS SENT TO DENISE BY AN ANONYMOUS LADY I'M TOLD. WHOEVER THE GUY IS IN THAT PICTURE. HE IS CREEPY AS HELL. I'M NOT PERSONALLY SOLD ON THIS PARTICULAR LEAD. DENISE HAS INFORMED ME ALL SHE WAS TOLD. IF ANYONE READING THIS BLOG HAS ANY INFO ON THIS MAN. PLEASE EMAIL ME. I'D STILL LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS ASPECT OF THE CASE. 
THIS "SIGHTING" AS WELL AS THE ONE AT THE LIVEWIRE NIGHTCLUB ARE BOTH UNCONFIRMED SIGHTINGS. 

   MAP OF KELOWNA: SHOWING WALKING DISTANCE BETWEEN BANK AND CAMPGROUND



TINY TOWN








"IS THIS ALL THAT IS LEFT OF MY SON?"





"IT IS THE BELIEF OF THIS DETACHMENT THAT YOUR SON IS DEAD, AND WE MAY NEVER FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM OR HIS BODY"

CST NORM BLANEY


  




“He was a nice guy. He was a good friend. He used to always come over to our camp, little camp and have coffee in the morning and play Frisbee and catch with my son and just sit and chat with us. He was friend, a real friendly guy, probably too friendly. He seemed, I don’t know, naIve … He’d talk to anybody, make friends with anybody.”

Gino Bourdin-Resident of Tiny Tent Town

GINO BOURDIN: 
CHARLES AND GINO WERE PRETTY CLOSE THE SHORT TIME CHARLES STAYED IN TINY TENT TOWN. HE OFTEN PLAYED FRISBEE WITH GINO'S SON AND THEY CHATTED FREQUENTLY. TO THIS DAY HE AND DENISE STILL TALK FROM TIME TO TIME. APPARENTLY THERE WAS AN ALL NIGHT PARTY THE NIGHT CHARLES WAS LAST SEEN. GINO MIGHT BE THE LAST PERSON WE KNOW THAT ACTUALLY SAW CHARLES. HE WENT TO SLEEP AND WOKE UP THE NEXT MORNING AND CHARLES WAS GONE. THERE WERE BIKERS AT THE CAMP GROUND THAT NIGHT AS WELL. NOT RANDOM BIKERS EITHER. HELL'S ANGELS. YEAH THOSE BIKERS.


UPON DENISE'S SECOND TRIP TO CANADA SHE WAS NOTIFIED (IN JULY) THAT CHARLES HAD BEEN STAYING IN KELOWNA'S TINY TENT TOWN. UPON RECEIVING THIS NEWS DENISE SOON WENT THERE TO ASK IF ANYONE REMEMBERED CHARLES. THE FIRST PERSON SHE MET WAS A PERSON BY THE NAME OF KEVIN TRENT EGAN. EGAN WAS ENTIRELY EVASIVE UPON BEING ASKED QUESTIONS. AND KEPT REITERATING THAT DENISE WOULD HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL PHIL FLETT CAME BACK TO THE CAMPGROUND. HE ALSO CLAIMED NOT TO HAVE ANY OF CHARLES' BELONGINGS. WHICH WAS LATER PROVEN TO BE A LIE. FLETT HAPPENED TO BE THE CAMP MANAGER. WHEN FLETT ARRIVED AT THE CAMPGROUND HE DID ADMIT THAT HE REMEMBERED CHARLES BEING AT THE CAMPGROUND. HE PROCEEDED TO MAKE HIS WAY TOWARDS AN ORANGE SHED AND RETRIEVED 3 ITEMS. (ROSARY, BIBLE, & A LEATHER STRAP FROM A BOOT) DENISE THEN PANIC STRICKEN ASKED "IS THIS ALL THAT IS LEFT OF MY SON?" SADLY IT WAS. DENISE HAPPENED TO BE STAYING AT A MOTEL ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE CAMPGROUND. SHE MADE HER WAY BACK TO THE MOTEL AND NOTIFIED THE KELOWNA POLICE DEPARTMENT.   






FLETT BACK IN THE 90s
PHIL FLETT-TINY TOWN MANAGER IN 89
BELOW: FLETT AND EGAN (2 DIPSHITS LAUGHING IT UP STILL)
WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT FLETT WILL NOT TAKE A POLYGRAPH TEST



THE NEXT MORNING DENISE COULD HEAR THE SIRENS FROM HER BEDROOM FROM THE POLICE CARS EN ROUTE TO TINY TENT CAMPGROUND. CONSTABLE NORM BLANEY RECOVERED ITEMS FROM NONE OTHER THAN KEVIN TRENT EGAN. WHO WAS IN POSSESSION OF 2 OF CHARLES' SHIRTS & SHAVING BAG. (CHARLES HAD KEPT HIS PERSONAL PHOTOS, ID AND PAPERS IN THE SHAVING BAG.) SHOCKINGLY, FLETT'S GIRLFRIEND AT THE TIME AND "MANAGERESS" OF THE PARK (SHEILA NEIHAUS) WAS IN POSSESSION OF 2 OF CHARLES' EXPENSIVE SWEATERS. 



(BELOW) ONE OF THE SHIRTS THAT KEVIN TRENT EGAN WAS IN POSSESSION OF.






  SHEILA NEIHAUS- PICTURED ABOVE (RECENT) 
AND BELOW HOW SHE LOOKED BACK IN THE 90s

 
AFTER KELOWNA PD WAS NOTIFIED DENISE RECEIVED A CALL FROM THEM ASKING HER TO COME DOWNTOWN AS THE SITUATION "DID NOT LOOK GOOD". UPON HEARING THAT DENISE THOUGHT THEY HAD FOUND CHARLES. THEY DID NOT HOWEVER. DENISE WAS ASKED TO SIGN A STATEMENT AND IDENTIFY 2 OF CHARLES' SHIRTS AND A SHAVING BAG. A CONSTABLE NORM BLANEY THEN TOLD DENISE....  





"IT IS THE BELIEF OF THIS DETACHMENT THAT YOUR SON IS DEAD AND WE MAY NEVER FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM OR HIS BODY."

       
 DENISE OBVIOUSLY GRIEF STRICKEN ASKED BLANEY:
  
"HOW COULD YOU SAY THAT!? I'VE ASKED YOU FOR A YEAR TO HELP ME SEARCH FOR CHARLES AS I KNEW SOMETHING WAS WRONG!"





BLANEY RESPONDED: "YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW EVIL THEY ARE AT TINY TOWN" 


 IN THE INTEREST OF BEING OBJECTIVE. THE RCMP WENT BACK ON THAT STATEMENT. ON THE EPISODE OF UNSOLVED MYSTERIES THEY STATED THERE IS NOT SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE THAT HE WAS MURDERED. YEARS LATER A DETECTIVE IN CHARGE OF THE CASE SAID THAT SHE THOUGHT CHARLES WAS MURDERED. THEY NOW BELIEVE HIM TO BE MURDERED AGAIN.


 HE THEN INFORMED DENISE THAT  HER SON'S FILE 1989/21784 WOULD BE PASSED ONTO HOMICIDE ON THE FOLLOWING MONDAY. AND INTERPOL WOULD BE CONTACTED FOR DENTAL RECORDS.




                           

PICTURED ABOVE: THE 2 SWEATERS NEIHAUS STOLE. SHE DID LATER APOLOGIZE FOR STEALING THEM. AND DENISE DID FORGIVE HER, (CAN'T SAY ENOUGH ABOUT DENISE. REMARKABLY STRONG AND FORGIVING LADY. PERSONALLY, I'D HAVE PUNCHED THAT BITCH IN THE FACE.)






OTHER THAN THE ITEMS RECOVERED THERE WAS NO SIGN OF CHARLES ANYWHERE. SHE RETURNED TO ENGLAND AND MADE A SECOND TRIP TO KELOWNA IN MARCH OF 1992. SHE HANDED OUT FLIERS AND WALKED THE STREETS OF KELOWNA SPREADING AWARENESS OF HER MISSING SON. HOWEVER ON MARCH 16TH, 1992 DENISE RECEIVED A LETTER ANONYMOUSLY ADDRESSED TO HER AT THE HOTEL SHE WAS STAYING AT IN KELOWNA.










THE LETTER WAS UNSIGNED AND IT STATED: 


 "I SEEN YOUR ADD IN THE PAPER LOOKING FOR YOUR SON. I SEEN HIM IN TINY TENT TOWN MAY 26TH. WE WERE PARTYING AND 2 PEOPLE KNOCKED HIM OUT. BUT HE DIED. HIS BODY IS IN THE LAKE BY THE BRIDGE."


SO THE RCMP BASICALLY WAS LAZY AND CHEAP HERE. THEY DIDN'T WANNA COUGH UP THE MONEY OR MANPOWER TO SEARCH THE LAKE. SO THANKFULLY A GROUP OF VOLUNTEER DIVERS TOOK ON THE TASK. HOWEVER THEY DIDN'T FIND ANYTHING INITIALLY. A FEW WEEKS WENT BY AND DENISE RECEIVED ANOTHER LETTER. THIS LETTER STATED THE DIVERS NEEDED TO LOOK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BRIDGE. THIS TIME THE RCMP GOT OFF THEIR ASSES AND DID THEIR JOBS. THIS TIME THEY DID FIND A BODY IN LAKE. THE BODY WAS FOUND ON A FRIDAY AND THE IDENTIFICATION DIDN'T OCCUR UNTIL MONDAY. THIS IS WHERE IT GETS REALLY FUCKED UP. DENISE UNDERSTANDABLY SHAKEN AND EXHAUSTED BOTH MENTALLY AND PHYSICALLY COLLAPSED. AND SPENT THE ENTIRE WEEKEND IN A HOSPITAL WHICH TURNED OUT TO BASICALLY BE A PSYCH WARD. SHE WASN'T AWARE AT THE TIME. SHE WENT WITH THEM WILLINGLY THINKING IT WAS A HOSPITAL. NO, THEY CALLED A PSYCH WARD TO PICK HER UP. 3 PEOPLE TRIED TO GET HER TO SPEAK TO A PSYCHIATRIST. THEY ACTED LIKE SHE WAS A DANGER TO HERSELF AND OTHERS FOR SOME REASON. SHE TOLD THEM SHE HAD A BROKEN HEART. NOT A BROKEN MIND. THEY TOOK HER CELL PHONE AND RETURNED IT TO THE RENTAL COMPANY. ITS COMPLETELY UNREAL HOW SHE WAS TREATED. I CAN DO AN ENTIRE ENTRY ON HER ORDEAL WITH THE HOSPITAL BUT I WON'T.  TO ADD INSULT TO INJURY THE BODY RECOVERED TURNED OUT NOT TO BE CHARLES AT ALL. IT WAS A 64 YEAR OLD MAN FROM KELOWNA WHO HAD BEEN MISSING FOR 7 YEARS. AND IT IS BELIEVED THAT HE COMMITTED SUICIDE. IT DIDN'T STOP THE AUTHORITIES FROM TRYING TO GET DENISE TO SIGN PAPERS STATING IT WAS INDEED CHARLES THO. THAT'S RIGHT. BEFORE THE IDENTIFICATION PROCESS WAS COMPLETED AUTHORITIES TRIED GETTING HER TO ADMIT IT WAS HER SON THEY FOUND. EVEN THO DENISE KNEW IN HER HEART THAT IT WASN'T. THIS ENTIRE SITUATION IS REALLY BEYOND BELIEF.




BELOW: NEWS REPORTS: APRIL 2ND AND 3RD OF 1992. LETTER RECEIVED. BODY FOUND. BODY NOT CHARLES.




BELOW: 10 ANNIVERSARY OF CHARLES DISAPPEARANCE



BELOW: NEWS REPORT- 19 YEARS




BELOW: GLOBAL TV 2007 REPORT





MY THOUGHTS:


  I HAD TO DO THIS ENTRY A LITTLE DIFFERENT. I HAD TO BEHAVE. FOR THE MOST PART. WHICH IS FINE. I WANTED TO CALL OUT SOME PEOPLE WHO'S NAMES I HAVE. WHO LIKELY KNOW THE ANSWERS TO THIS WOMAN'S PAIN. I HAVE ONE NAME OF A PERSON THAT I'D REALLY LIKE TO MEET IN PERSON. IF I EVER GO TO CANADA. I'LL BE LOOKING THIS GUY UP. WHEN YOU LISTEN TO DENISE HORVATH-ALLAN TELL HER STORY. OR EVEN WHEN YOU JUST TALK TO HER. THE WOMAN IS SOFT SPOKEN AND ELEGANT. I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER HEARD THE WOMAN CURSE. LET ALONE SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT ANYONE. WHICH IS EXTREMELY HARD TO FATHOM. THE WOMAN IS THE EPITOME OF CLASS. THINK ABOUT THAT. THROUGH ALL THE TURMOIL. ALL THE HEARTBREAK. AND SHE IS STILL LIKE THAT. I DON'T KNOW HOW. I ASKED HER HOW SHE DID IT. HER RESPONSE WAS "I DIDN'T HAVE A CHOICE." THAT MADE ME CRY. NOW YOU THE READERS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FORGIVE ME. BECAUSE I'M NOT CLASSY LIKE DENISE HORVATH-ALLAN IS. WHAT I SAY GOING FORWARD IS COMING FROM ME. NOT HER. THERE ARE A BUNCH OF LOW LIFES THAT STILL LIVE IN KELOWNA. SOME THAT HAVE MOVED TO OTHER PART'S OF CANADA. THEY KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. AND I HOPE YOU ROT IN HELL FOR WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO THIS WOMAN. PHIL FLETT KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED. DO I THINK HE WAS INVOLVED? AT THIS POINT NO. I NEED MORE. BUT HE IS COVERING UP THE TRUTH. SO IS KEVIN TRENT EGAN. WHO I CAN'T FIND ANYWHERE. WHO'S FAMILY DON'T SPEAK TO HIM. SHEILA NEIHAUS ALSO KNOWS. EGAN, NEIHAUS, AND FLETT ALL KNOW MORE. YOU DON'T JUST PASS AROUND A GUY'S THINGS AT A CAMPGROUND WITHOUT KNOWING HOW YOU OBTAINED THEM. OR WHO OWNED THEM. AND WHY THAT PERSON DOESN'T WANT THEM ANYMORE. ALL 3 OF YOU ARE COWARDS. HOW THE HELL DO YOU PUT YOUR HEAD ON YOUR PILLOW AT NIGHT KNOWING HOW MUCH SUFFERING THIS WOMAN HAS BEEN GOING THROUGH FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS? HOW CAN YOU DO IT? NO HUMAN COULD. NO ONE WITH A CONSCIENCE COULD. I'LL CONTINUE TO UPDATE THIS ENTRY AS OFTEN AS TIME ALLOWS ME TO. I DON'T PUT MUCH RELIABILITY ON THE TWO NIGHTCLUB SIGHTINGS. I BELIEVE THEY ARE INCORRECT. I TEND TO BELIEVE THE LETTER SHE RECEIVED TO BE AUTHENTIC. I ALSO TEND TO BELIEVE HE IS IN LAKE OKANAGAN. OKANAGAN IS 84 MILES LONG AND BETWEEN 2 TO 3 MILES WIDE DEPENDING UPON YOUR LOCATION. HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU READ WHERE DIVERS HAVE SEARCHED AND SEARCHED AND CAME UP WITH NOTHING. AND THEN EVENTUALLY COME ACROSS A BODY IN A LAKE WHERE THEY THOUGHT THEY SEARCHED BEFORE? OKANAGAN IS PRETTY VAST EVEN FOR A LAKE. I CAN'T THINK OF A MOTIVE OTHER THAN JEALOUSY OR BY ACCIDENT AS THE LETTERS STATED. EITHER WAY. YOU HAVE TO BE ONE SICK SUNUVA BITCH TO KNOW THE ANSWER ALL THESE YEARS AND NEVER TELL ANYONE. AT THIS POINT WE DON'T KNOW IF ANY BIKER'S WERE EVEN INVOLVED. IT COULD HAVE EASILY BEEN THE OTHER RESIDENTS. WHO KNOWS. ALL I DO KNOW IS THIS WOMAN NEEDS ANSWERS. ILL EVENTUALLY UPLOAD THE UNSOLVED MYSTERIES SEGMENT. I NEED TO LEARN HOW TO SPLICE A VIDEO. I CAN'T UPLOAD THE ENTIRE EPISODE. 


SHURLOCK HOLMES






TINY TENT TOWN (THEN)

PRESENT DAY




A LETTER DENISE HORVATH-ALLAN WROTE TO HER SON'S KILLER(S) MARKING 17 YEARS


17 years of tears only 20 birthdays to remember - you took the rest 



To the person or persons who know the fate of my son 'Charles' Karoly John Horvath-Allan - born August 21 1968 



17 years without seeing his beautiful smile 

17 years without feeling his warmth, his touch, his love 

17 year without hearing his voice, his laughter, his sense of humour 



Will you ever tell where you put him 

Will we ever find the answer 

Will you ever allow us to have closure 



Never again to receive a 'Moms Day' card 

Never again to hold him in my arms 

Never again being able to say 'I am sorry' 



Do you ever sleep at night 

Do you have children of your own 

Do you have a Mom 



On Wednesday at 7.15 am the 
21st day of August - the Summer of 1968 
a baby boy - my son was born 

One day in the Summer of 1989 
you took away my only son my mom's only Grandson 
a 20 year old young man from our lives 

On the 17th day of August - the Summer of 1949 - I was born 
my Mom - Charles' Nana gave me life 
On Sunday the 9th of January 2006 - my Mom died 

My Mom died after living in hope for nearly 17 years 
that her beloved grandson 'Charles' would be found 

Is this to my fate 
to die 
never knowing where Charles' remains lie 

PLEASE WON'T YOU TELL 
PLEASE ALLOW US CLOSURE 
PLEASE GIVE US PEACE 

Denise Horvath-Allan


Charles' Nana's Emotional Plea
In September 1988, my grandson, Charles, came to visit me in Cambridge, England, before setting off on his long journey to Canada. As we waved Goodbye to one another at the bus stop, I feared that I would never see my grandson again, the tears poured from my eyes. Another Christmas has come and gone without our family knowing the fate of my only Grandson, Charles. Soon I shall be 80 years old. If you know who took Charles from our lives or if you know where his body is located, please find the courage to come forward. For 16 years, I have helplessly watched the health of my daughter, Denise Allan, deteriorate as she drags herself across Canada and the world in hopes of finding fate her only child. Whomever took Charles from our lives, I beg you to come forward and tell us where we can find him. Peace desperately needs to be brought to our lives.
- Edith Thorpe, Nana of 'Charles' Karoly John Horvath-Allan
THORPE DIED JANUARY 8TH 2006 

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